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	<title>Comments on: Rubber Fortresses for A-Bomb Defense</title>
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		<title>By: jayessell</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/06/06/rubber-fortresses-for-a-bomb-defense/#comment-237668</link>
		<dc:creator>jayessell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Blurgle&lt;/b&gt;

http://www.texastower.com/news_soutjerseyi.htm

An Air Force platform in the Atlantic in 1961.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Blurgle</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.texastower.com/news_soutjerseyi.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.texastower.com/news_soutjerseyi.htm</a></p>
<p>An Air Force platform in the Atlantic in 1961.</p>
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		<title>By: Blurgle</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/06/06/rubber-fortresses-for-a-bomb-defense/#comment-235095</link>
		<dc:creator>Blurgle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jayessell, the DEW facilities I'm familiar with were up in the North, where you don't have a lot of open sea (most of it is frozen 10 months out of the year at least). I can't really answer that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jayessell, the DEW facilities I&#8217;m familiar with were up in the North, where you don&#8217;t have a lot of open sea (most of it is frozen 10 months out of the year at least). I can&#8217;t really answer that.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/06/06/rubber-fortresses-for-a-bomb-defense/#comment-232084</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually American Heritage's Science and Invention magazine ran a big article about the DEW line stations last month, I totally forgot to mention it in the post. It was really interesting:

http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/2007/4/2007_4_32.shtml

That's a great magazine by the way. One of my favorites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually American Heritage&#8217;s Science and Invention magazine ran a big article about the DEW line stations last month, I totally forgot to mention it in the post. It was really interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/2007/4/2007_4_32.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanheritage.co.....4_32.shtml</a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great magazine by the way. One of my favorites.</p>
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		<title>By: jayessell</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/06/06/rubber-fortresses-for-a-bomb-defense/#comment-232031</link>
		<dc:creator>jayessell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks &lt;b&gt;Blurgle&lt;/b&gt;!

I bet that's how many would be needed for a base on the Moon!

Do you have information on the disaster at sea I mentioned?
I'm sure it was covered in one of the "Engineering Disaster" episodes on "The History Channel".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks <b>Blurgle</b>!</p>
<p>I bet that&#8217;s how many would be needed for a base on the Moon!</p>
<p>Do you have information on the disaster at sea I mentioned?<br />
I&#8217;m sure it was covered in one of the &#8220;Engineering Disaster&#8221; episodes on &#8220;The History Channel&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Blurgle</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/06/06/rubber-fortresses-for-a-bomb-defense/#comment-231920</link>
		<dc:creator>Blurgle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Are the radar signals piped by coaxial cable to Central Command? Who is it who HAVE to be at the radar site? Besides the guy who changes the tubes.&lt;/i&gt;

Jayessell - this was before the widespread use of computers and before missiles. Most of the facilities weren't linked by coax - how do you string a line of coax through 500 miles of completely barren muskeg or dense forest? Even if you could, the wire wouldn't survive a month of wind, cold, and animals in the north. The facilities were first linked by radio, then by microwave transmissions, and finally by satellite.

How many men would they need? They'd need at least three men to keep the radar receiver and the radio or microwave antenna in condition, given the large size of many of the parts. They'd need at least three radio operators to operate the link between the facility and the central site 24/7. They'd need men to interpret the radar, since in 1950 it was likely difficult to transmit the radar returns directly.  They'd need a weather observer (all facilities had one). They'd need security to prevent local hunters from using the site as a base (and to prevent espionage). They'd need a cook, a nurse, and cleaning staff. 

The personnel could easily top 20 at even the smallest, most remote facility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are the radar signals piped by coaxial cable to Central Command? Who is it who HAVE to be at the radar site? Besides the guy who changes the tubes.</i></p>
<p>Jayessell - this was before the widespread use of computers and before missiles. Most of the facilities weren&#8217;t linked by coax - how do you string a line of coax through 500 miles of completely barren muskeg or dense forest? Even if you could, the wire wouldn&#8217;t survive a month of wind, cold, and animals in the north. The facilities were first linked by radio, then by microwave transmissions, and finally by satellite.</p>
<p>How many men would they need? They&#8217;d need at least three men to keep the radar receiver and the radio or microwave antenna in condition, given the large size of many of the parts. They&#8217;d need at least three radio operators to operate the link between the facility and the central site 24/7. They&#8217;d need men to interpret the radar, since in 1950 it was likely difficult to transmit the radar returns directly.  They&#8217;d need a weather observer (all facilities had one). They&#8217;d need security to prevent local hunters from using the site as a base (and to prevent espionage). They&#8217;d need a cook, a nurse, and cleaning staff. </p>
<p>The personnel could easily top 20 at even the smallest, most remote facility.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/06/06/rubber-fortresses-for-a-bomb-defense/#comment-230252</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops! Fixed that. Yes I use OCR, specifically ABBYY Fine Reader 8.0. It makes mistakes and I spell check it but mistakes still get through all the time. You should see the stuff it comes up with on it's own. It loves to randomly insert lower case 'j's everywhere there is a fleck of dust and has a nasty habit of cutting the bottoms off of all the 'y's in an article and making them into 'v's. Still it's a lot better than the other programs and there is no way in hell I could type them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops! Fixed that. Yes I use OCR, specifically ABBYY Fine Reader 8.0. It makes mistakes and I spell check it but mistakes still get through all the time. You should see the stuff it comes up with on it&#8217;s own. It loves to randomly insert lower case &#8216;j&#8217;s everywhere there is a fleck of dust and has a nasty habit of cutting the bottoms off of all the &#8216;y&#8217;s in an article and making them into &#8216;v&#8217;s. Still it&#8217;s a lot better than the other programs and there is no way in hell I could type them all.</p>
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		<title>By: jayessell</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayessell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the inset illustration of the command center.

a) Shouldn't that be underground rather than at the top of the dome?
b) Is there a name for the WACs or WAFs that move markers on a huge chart using long sticks? (Marker movers, I suppose.)
c) Hopefully nothing noteworthy will happen off the coast of South Carolina. That's where the trap door is.
d) Are those 60" monitors along the circular wall? Sweet!

And in the first illustration...

a) Troops exercise under the radar dish? While it's on??? I'd run to keep under the counterweight!
b) If this "rock" is emitting thousands of watts of microwaves, is it &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; undetectable? Isn't there a air to ground missile specificly designed to destroy radar antennas?
c) Are the radar signals piped by coaxial cable to Central Command? Who is it who HAVE to be at the radar site? Besides the guy who changes the tubes.

About the article:

a) Chinook helicopters are not quiet when landing. At least the pilots hope they aren't.
b) Weren't there actually some of these radar sites built at sea on oil rig-like platforms?
One failed during a storm and killed most of the crew.

To the webmaster:
How do you recreate the text of the article? Optical Character Recognition?
I ask because somehow "pre-cious" became "previous".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the inset illustration of the command center.</p>
<p>a) Shouldn&#8217;t that be underground rather than at the top of the dome?<br />
b) Is there a name for the WACs or WAFs that move markers on a huge chart using long sticks? (Marker movers, I suppose.)<br />
c) Hopefully nothing noteworthy will happen off the coast of South Carolina. That&#8217;s where the trap door is.<br />
d) Are those 60&#8243; monitors along the circular wall? Sweet!</p>
<p>And in the first illustration&#8230;</p>
<p>a) Troops exercise under the radar dish? While it&#8217;s on??? I&#8217;d run to keep under the counterweight!<br />
b) If this &#8220;rock&#8221; is emitting thousands of watts of microwaves, is it <i>really</i> undetectable? Isn&#8217;t there a air to ground missile specificly designed to destroy radar antennas?<br />
c) Are the radar signals piped by coaxial cable to Central Command? Who is it who HAVE to be at the radar site? Besides the guy who changes the tubes.</p>
<p>About the article:</p>
<p>a) Chinook helicopters are not quiet when landing. At least the pilots hope they aren&#8217;t.<br />
b) Weren&#8217;t there actually some of these radar sites built at sea on oil rig-like platforms?<br />
One failed during a storm and killed most of the crew.</p>
<p>To the webmaster:<br />
How do you recreate the text of the article? Optical Character Recognition?<br />
I ask because somehow &#8220;pre-cious&#8221; became &#8220;previous&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Blurgle</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/06/06/rubber-fortresses-for-a-bomb-defense/#comment-229769</link>
		<dc:creator>Blurgle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the line that just stops at Fort Providence. There are about 10 old DEW line facilities north along that line in the Inuvik area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the line that just stops at Fort Providence. There are about 10 old DEW line facilities north along that line in the Inuvik area.</p>
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		<title>By: Stannous</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/06/06/rubber-fortresses-for-a-bomb-defense/#comment-228911</link>
		<dc:creator>Stannous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, so that's what happened to the guys who thought up the impregnable Maginot Line. But I'll admit it goes quite well with the recycled innertube life jacket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, so that&#8217;s what happened to the guys who thought up the impregnable Maginot Line. But I&#8217;ll admit it goes quite well with the recycled innertube life jacket.</p>
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