Comments on: America’s Part in Soviet Engineering Triumphs (Jul, 1935) http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/ Yesterday's tomorrow, today. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:07:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: jayessell http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/comment-page-1/#comment-1073712 jayessell Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:22:46 +0000 http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/#comment-1073712 Supposedly, when Stalin needed an engineer to design a canal, rather than hire him he had him arressted on trumped-up charges and made him work for free! Was there an American president or other official who wondered how the Soviets were paying for all the new projects? I wonder if <b><i>that's</i></b> the "I have seen the future and it works." that Lincoln Steffens reported on. Also... Didn't that guy convince hundreds of Americans to move to the USSR during the depression and they were later sent to the Gulags? Supposedly, when Stalin needed an engineer to design a
canal, rather than hire him he had him arressted on
trumped-up charges and made him work for free!

Was there an American president or other official who wondered
how the Soviets were paying for all the new projects?

I wonder if that’s the “I have seen the future
and it works.” that Lincoln Steffens reported on.

Also…
Didn’t that guy convince hundreds of Americans to move to the
USSR during the depression and they were later sent to the Gulags?

]]> By: Firebrand38 http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/comment-page-1/#comment-1073669 Firebrand38 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:22:47 +0000 http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/#comment-1073669 Andrew: To say that the United States in 1935 was no better than the Soviet Union under Stalin just floored me. I don't know whether you're joking, naive or just plain stupid. I mean, alright Huey Long was a US Senator but come on! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935_in_the_United_States http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm http://rt.com/Politics/2009-10-30/stalin-great-purge-victims.html Andrew: To say that the United States in 1935 was no better than the Soviet Union under Stalin just floored me. I don’t know whether you’re joking, naive or just plain stupid.
I mean, alright Huey Long was a US Senator but come on!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1.....ted_States
http://www.historyplace.com/wo.....stalin.htm
http://rt.com/Politics/2009-10.....ctims.html

]]> By: Andrew http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/comment-page-1/#comment-1073667 Andrew Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:44:11 +0000 http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/#comment-1073667 Of course, once again the Soviet's are portrayed as villains and subject of numerous, evil, conspiracy theories, like causing the Holodomor, or killing millions of Poles. Ironically, the American's are no better and do/ did much the same thing in that Era. Furthermore, the Holodomor was a result of Stalin's and his administrations incompetance near the beginning of his reign. He was uncertain of food distribution, and his staff feared him, and therefore this caused widespread famine throughout the Soviet Union, in both Russia and Ukraine. A disadvantage of a centrally planned economy, and distribution. As regards to Soviet Engineering, it was the result of influences from many countries, like Germany, France, etc. And manifested itself after the fall of Tzarist Russia when people could finally obtain an education, and the Soviet government required a modernization of the State. Of course, once again the Soviet’s are portrayed as villains and subject of numerous, evil, conspiracy theories, like causing the Holodomor, or killing millions of Poles. Ironically, the American’s are no better and do/ did much the same thing in that Era. Furthermore, the Holodomor was a result of Stalin’s and his administrations incompetance near the beginning of his reign. He was uncertain of food distribution, and his staff feared him, and therefore this caused widespread famine throughout the Soviet Union, in both Russia and Ukraine. A disadvantage of a centrally planned economy, and distribution.

As regards to Soviet Engineering, it was the result of influences from many countries, like Germany, France, etc. And manifested itself after the fall of Tzarist Russia when people could finally obtain an education, and the Soviet government required a modernization of the State.

]]> By: Blurgle http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/comment-page-1/#comment-319987 Blurgle Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:13:04 +0000 http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/#comment-319987 relaxing, many of the famines at that time were actually deliberate actions by the Stalinist government and had nothing to do with weather. Stalin meant to break the Ukrainian people from their hatred of collective farming, and murdered (to use the correct word) six million Ukrainians in the attempt. Government apparatchiks appropriated harvests (including the seed crop for the following years) and in many areas deliberately poisoned the soil to make the food grown in the soil inedible. They sabotaged irrigation systems, tore up roads to prevent migration, and watched in glee as millions starved. In fact, one of the reasons why the Nazis did as well as they did against the Soviets at the beginning of Operation Barbarossa was that many Ukrainians saw the Nazis as liberators and aided them. This is also one of the reasons why the Ukrainian horrors aren't well-known to the outside world (news blackouts being the other): after the war, Ukrainians were seen as having collaborated with the Nazis and were vilified. In many parts of Russia in the postwar era, "Ukrainian" was a synonym for "quisling" or "traitor". relaxing, many of the famines at that time were actually deliberate actions by the Stalinist government and had nothing to do with weather. Stalin meant to break the Ukrainian people from their hatred of collective farming, and murdered (to use the correct word) six million Ukrainians in the attempt. Government apparatchiks appropriated harvests (including the seed crop for the following years) and in many areas deliberately poisoned the soil to make the food grown in the soil inedible. They sabotaged irrigation systems, tore up roads to prevent migration, and watched in glee as millions starved.

In fact, one of the reasons why the Nazis did as well as they did against the Soviets at the beginning of Operation Barbarossa was that many Ukrainians saw the Nazis as liberators and aided them. This is also one of the reasons why the Ukrainian horrors aren’t well-known to the outside world (news blackouts being the other): after the war, Ukrainians were seen as having collaborated with the Nazis and were vilified. In many parts of Russia in the postwar era, “Ukrainian” was a synonym for “quisling” or “traitor”.

]]> By: relaxing http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/comment-page-1/#comment-319836 relaxing Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:18:54 +0000 http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/07/12/americas-part-in-soviet-engineering-triumphs/#comment-319836 Of course what party central wasn't letting out is that most of these projects were spectacular failures, completed at huge cost and without regard to human life. (See Graham's "The Ghost of the Executed Engineer".) 100,000's died building Magnitogorsk, Dnieper River dam, White Sea canal. I wonder were the famines of that time because of, or despite the aerial seed-sowing? Of course what party central wasn’t letting out is that most of these projects were spectacular failures, completed at huge cost and without regard to human life. (See Graham’s “The Ghost of the Executed Engineer”.) 100,000′s died building Magnitogorsk, Dnieper River dam, White Sea canal. I wonder were the famines of that time because of, or despite the aerial seed-sowing?

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