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	<title>Comments on: Flying Without Wings or Motors</title>
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		<title>By: Lucian Cozma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucian Cozma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the front of the web-page,is a question...The answer is YES,somebody really made this kind of aircraft...First of all,the principle was(and..is)not applied like Kirsten has imagined in the &#039;30th but useing crown-shape element which was endowed with several blade-shape elements ; that was o rotational device with a peripherical speed of 396 meters/sec ; in the center of this crown rotational device is...nothing but the axle and several spokes(which connect the rotational crown with the axle...)being the central vacuum space ; the air is absorbed from the center and radially evacuated through the blades.Usually,that rotational device is endowed with several peripherical air-guiding devices and a system of flow devices formed from a Coanda-effect flowing-wall and an external porous surface ; the nazi was been the first to build this kind of cyclonoidal airdraft and their inventor and design-engineer was been Viktor Schauberger ; I am one of the very few people who really knows the true scheme of the Schauberger &quot;repulsine&quot;...Today,everybody can find a lot of schemes on the internet,but almost all of them are fake...The Repulsine had a cyclonoidal propeller covered by a porous aspiration surface,and that small flying apparatus was the so-called &quot;foo-fighter&quot; ; after WW2,in Romania,the german-romanian inventor Rudolf Liciar has built several unconventional flying apparatuses for the soviets.I know a lot of technical details about all that cylonoidal aircrafts.I&#039;ve just wrote an &quot;encyclopedia of secret aviation&quot; with more than 2500 pages of unprecedented disclosures related of Coanda,Liciar,the real schemes of nazi secret aircraft,the real unconventional propulsion systems used even today by the secret services,etc.
 Although I was been congratulated from three romanian aviation generals,finally nobody gift the money for pulishing...Well..,I have also the original patent of Liciar,-the RO 21370 from 1932 the original title &quot; Cyclonoid . Sustinator si propulsor aerian&quot; and from 1932 to 1937,Liciar has obtained another two patents,the original title &quot;Helicopter&quot; and &quot;Aerial apparatus&quot;,with the co-inventor Zareh Loremian Libaret.Rudolf Liciar was been taken by the soviets after 1954 and until now nobody knows the end of his activity and of his life...Begining with the &#039;60th,another scientist called Nicolae Moraru,made a lot of important inventions culminating with his &quot;electronic anti-aircraft and antisatellite weapon&quot;(firstly tested in 1967 and used in real combat in august 1968 against the soviets)device which is also the most powerfull climateric weapon and a system of energy transmission and amplification,etc,etc.I know everything about all that devices,including the original technical papers ,- some people threatening me to keep the silence but another people congratulated me...That&#039;s all.
Faithfully Yours !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the front of the web-page,is a question&#8230;The answer is YES,somebody really made this kind of aircraft&#8230;First of all,the principle was(and..is)not applied like Kirsten has imagined in the &#8216;30th but useing crown-shape element which was endowed with several blade-shape elements ; that was o rotational device with a peripherical speed of 396 meters/sec ; in the center of this crown rotational device is&#8230;nothing but the axle and several spokes(which connect the rotational crown with the axle&#8230;)being the central vacuum space ; the air is absorbed from the center and radially evacuated through the <a href="http://blades.Us" title="http://blades.Us" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">blades.Us</a>ually,that rotational device is endowed with several peripherical air-guiding devices and a system of flow devices formed from a Coanda-effect flowing-wall and an external porous surface ; the nazi was been the first to build this kind of cyclonoidal airdraft and their inventor and design-engineer was been Viktor Schauberger ; I am one of the very few people who really knows the true scheme of the Schauberger &#8220;repulsine&#8221;&#8230;Today,everybody can find a lot of schemes on the internet,but almost all of them are fake&#8230;The Repulsine had a cyclonoidal propeller covered by a porous aspiration surface,and that small flying apparatus was the so-called &#8220;foo-fighter&#8221; ; after WW2,in Romania,the german-romanian inventor Rudolf Liciar has built several unconventional flying apparatuses for the soviets.I know a lot of technical details about all that cylonoidal aircrafts.I&#8217;ve just wrote an &#8220;encyclopedia of secret aviation&#8221; with more than 2500 pages of unprecedented disclosures related of Coanda,Liciar,the real schemes of nazi secret aircraft,the real unconventional propulsion systems used even today by the secret services,etc.<br />
 Although I was been congratulated from three romanian aviation generals,finally nobody gift the money for pulishing&#8230;Well..,I have also the original patent of Liciar,-the RO 21370 from 1932 the original title &#8221; Cyclonoid . Sustinator si propulsor aerian&#8221; and from 1932 to 1937,Liciar has obtained another two patents,the original title &#8220;Helicopter&#8221; and &#8220;Aerial apparatus&#8221;,with the co-inventor Zareh Loremian Libaret.Rudolf Liciar was been taken by the soviets after 1954 and until now nobody knows the end of his activity and of his life&#8230;Begining with the &#8216;60th,another scientist called Nicolae Moraru,made a lot of important inventions culminating with his &#8220;electronic anti-aircraft and antisatellite weapon&#8221;(firstly tested in 1967 and used in real combat in august 1968 against the soviets)device which is also the most powerfull climateric weapon and a system of energy transmission and amplification,etc,etc.I know everything about all that devices,including the original technical papers ,- some people threatening me to keep the silence but another people congratulated me&#8230;That&#8217;s all.<br />
Faithfully Yours !</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/09/04/flying-without-wings-or-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-469288</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised to learn that this Prof. Kirsten is more well known for his pipes http://www.pt-magazine.com/backissues/spring2000/story2.asp than anything else.

He also has a building named after him at the University of Washington College of Engineering http://www.engr.washington.edu/facilities/Bldgs_Facilities/Bldg_Locator/kirsten.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised to learn that this Prof. Kirsten is more well known for his pipes <a href="http://www.pt-magazine.com/backissues/spring2000/story2.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.pt-magazine.com/bac.....story2.asp</a> than anything else.</p>
<p>He also has a building named after him at the University of Washington College of Engineering <a href="http://www.engr.washington.edu/facilities/Bldgs_Facilities/Bldg_Locator/kirsten.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.engr.washington.edu.....rsten.html</a></p>
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