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	<title>Comments on: Three Dimension Movies Leap from Screen  (Aug, 1931)</title>
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		<title>By: jayessell</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/08/27/three-dimension-movies-leap-from-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-1060157</link>
		<dc:creator>jayessell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter:
So, it would be like the ViewMaster reels of  cartoons.
Flat images  floating in front of a flat background?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter:<br />
So, it would be like the ViewMaster reels of  cartoons.<br />
Flat images  floating in front of a flat background?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Knight</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/08/27/three-dimension-movies-leap-from-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-1059796</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops - Modern Mechanix got his name wrong. It&#039;s Jakob Burkhardt.

The indexing of patents of that era is a little wonky on Google Patents due to OCRing from such old originals, but I&#039;ve found these:
#1,801,656 Moving-picture film http://www.google.com/patents?id=GIFeAAAAEBAJ
#1,833,706 Apparatus for tinting motion picture http://www.google.com/patents?id=IHdUAAAAEBAJ
#1,859,021 Method of producing motion pictures http://www.google.com/patents?id=GH9tAAAAEBAJ
#1,859,022 Projection printing machine http://www.google.com/patents?id=GX9tAAAAEBAJ
#1,859,023 Projection apparatus for motion pictures http://www.google.com/patents?id=Gn9tAAAAEBAJ

They are all heavily focussed on the film layout with little mention to how background masking might work - but the last patent hints at how the projection might work. I suspect the intention was to have a semi-transparent front screen which the background was projected through. Each layer has a different lens, so they could focus at different depths.

It doesn&#039;t look very practical to me though - focussing and alignment would have been a nightmare,  you would need huge lenses to achieve that much depth selectivity from a distant projection position. Besides, the semi-transparent screen would introduce a lot of blur. The lenses need to be very close for alignment, but well separated for adjustment. It&#039;s one of those things that works really well on a small bench, but probably didn&#039;t scale to useful proportions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8211; Modern Mechanix got his name wrong. It&#8217;s Jakob Burkhardt.</p>
<p>The indexing of patents of that era is a little wonky on Google Patents due to OCRing from such old originals, but I&#8217;ve found these:<br />
#1,801,656 Moving-picture film <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=GIFeAAAAEBAJ" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents?id=GIFeAAAAEBAJ</a><br />
#1,833,706 Apparatus for tinting motion picture <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=IHdUAAAAEBAJ" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents?id=IHdUAAAAEBAJ</a><br />
#1,859,021 Method of producing motion pictures <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=GH9tAAAAEBAJ" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents?id=GH9tAAAAEBAJ</a><br />
#1,859,022 Projection printing machine <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=GX9tAAAAEBAJ" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents?id=GX9tAAAAEBAJ</a><br />
#1,859,023 Projection apparatus for motion pictures <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=Gn9tAAAAEBAJ" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents?id=Gn9tAAAAEBAJ</a></p>
<p>They are all heavily focussed on the film layout with little mention to how background masking might work &#8211; but the last patent hints at how the projection might work. I suspect the intention was to have a semi-transparent front screen which the background was projected through. Each layer has a different lens, so they could focus at different depths.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t look very practical to me though &#8211; focussing and alignment would have been a nightmare,  you would need huge lenses to achieve that much depth selectivity from a distant projection position. Besides, the semi-transparent screen would introduce a lot of blur. The lenses need to be very close for alignment, but well separated for adjustment. It&#8217;s one of those things that works really well on a small bench, but probably didn&#8217;t scale to useful proportions.</p>
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		<title>By: jayessell</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/08/27/three-dimension-movies-leap-from-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-1059781</link>
		<dc:creator>jayessell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also shenanigate.
The left and right eyes are seeing the same image.
The images would appear flat.

Also... 
How would you film anything?
Live action in the studio  against black velvet?
Dozens of animators to make the mattes? (Like TRON?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also shenanigate.<br />
The left and right eyes are seeing the same image.<br />
The images would appear flat.</p>
<p>Also&#8230;<br />
How would you film anything?<br />
Live action in the studio  against black velvet?<br />
Dozens of animators to make the mattes? (Like TRON?)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eamon, I think he wanted to place one image on top of the other, it sounds expensive to produce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eamon, I think he wanted to place one image on top of the other, it sounds expensive to produce.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patent #1785336 : MOVING-PICTURE FILM AND METHOD OF MAKING
Link: http://www.google.com/patents?id=vxhdAAAAEBAJ

It&#039;s only a method of storing 3D on film. The patent doesn&#039;t explain how to produce the 3D illusion from the film. That appears to be Jacob Burkhard&#039;s only patent - so I guess he never figured that part out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patent #1785336 : MOVING-PICTURE FILM AND METHOD OF MAKING<br />
Link: <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=vxhdAAAAEBAJ" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents?id=vxhdAAAAEBAJ</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s only a method of storing 3D on film. The patent doesn&#8217;t explain how to produce the 3D illusion from the film. That appears to be Jacob Burkhard&#8217;s only patent &#8211; so I guess he never figured that part out.</p>
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		<title>By: Eamon</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/08/27/three-dimension-movies-leap-from-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-1059733</link>
		<dc:creator>Eamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would this create a 3D effect?</description>
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