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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1078057</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toronto: No, White Death passed away several years ago.</description>
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		<title>By: Toronto</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1078023</link>
		<dc:creator>Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 04:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FB- Based on his MO and current snow patterns, I&#039;d say he&#039;s most likely to be in the Sierra Nevadas, if he&#039;s still operational (he&#039;d be pretty old.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FB- Based on his MO and current snow patterns, I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s most likely to be in the Sierra Nevadas, if he&#8217;s still operational (he&#8217;d be pretty old.)</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1078019</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 01:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jayessell: &quot;magic bullet&quot;?  Where&#039;s Simo Häyhä when we need him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jayessell: &#8220;magic bullet&#8221;?  Where&#8217;s Simo Häyhä when we need him?</p>
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		<title>By: jayessell</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1078018</link>
		<dc:creator>jayessell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 00:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, rather than a nuke that kills hundreds of thousands of people
but not the generals in their bunkers, what is needed for peace is a 
&quot;magic bullet&#039;&quot; that ONLY kills the warmongers where-ever they were.

And/Or...

Some method of making war EVEN MORE unprofitable than it is now.
Weapons coming off the assembly line broken and useless;
the trucks to move them broken and useless.

Unfortunately each of the above would require GodLike Powers
or Extraterrestrial Technology.

Alternately....

Some problem that puts the entire world at risk, like in the movies
&quot;Independence Day&quot; and &quot;Armageddon&quot;, would unite the world.

Just before it is destroyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, rather than a nuke that kills hundreds of thousands of people<br />
but not the generals in their bunkers, what is needed for peace is a<br />
&#8220;magic bullet&#8217;&#8221; that ONLY kills the warmongers where-ever they were.</p>
<p>And/Or&#8230;</p>
<p>Some method of making war EVEN MORE unprofitable than it is now.<br />
Weapons coming off the assembly line broken and useless;<br />
the trucks to move them broken and useless.</p>
<p>Unfortunately each of the above would require GodLike Powers<br />
or Extraterrestrial Technology.</p>
<p>Alternately&#8230;.</p>
<p>Some problem that puts the entire world at risk, like in the movies<br />
&#8220;Independence Day&#8221; and &#8220;Armageddon&#8221;, would unite the world.</p>
<p>Just before it is destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1077994</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 18:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew L. Ayers: Look, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re sincere but your statements are incredibly naive.  We live in a country that exists as the result of a war.  Now maybe you think that&#039;s futile but I happen not to.  You want to engage in the kind of discussion that takes place in the local gin mill where a bunch of high school grads sit around and solve all the world&#039;s problems after a hard day at the peanut brittle factory.

It&#039;s like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Nonviolence&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gandhi&#039;s advice&lt;/a&gt; to the British Isles during WW2 when invasion seemed imminent: &quot;I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions...If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them.&quot;

Call it weakness on my part but I ain&#039;t going down that way.  Civil disobedience against the Nazis?  That&#039;s naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew L. Ayers: Look, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re sincere but your statements are incredibly naive.  We live in a country that exists as the result of a war.  Now maybe you think that&#8217;s futile but I happen not to.  You want to engage in the kind of discussion that takes place in the local gin mill where a bunch of high school grads sit around and solve all the world&#8217;s problems after a hard day at the peanut brittle factory.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Nonviolence" rel="nofollow">Gandhi&#8217;s advice</a> to the British Isles during WW2 when invasion seemed imminent: &#8220;I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions&#8230;If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Call it weakness on my part but I ain&#8217;t going down that way.  Civil disobedience against the Nazis?  That&#8217;s naive.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew L. Ayers</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1077950</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew L. Ayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 22:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jayessell and Firebrand38:

I&#039;ve been on this planet for nearly 40 years; longer than some, less than many. I remember the premier on TV of the mini-series &quot;The Day After&quot;, one of the more horrific portrayals of nuclear war and the aftermath it leaves. I also remember reading many books and articles on these weapons, and how huge the global stockpiles were; as a child I recognized it for its madness then, the same as I recognize these smaller stockpiles for their madness now! 

One would think that man, having captured the ability to vaporize cities and their inhabitants with singular weapons - one would think that he would step back, ponder, and say &quot;wait a minute&quot;; perhaps re-think his position, his power, his hatreds, his fears, and his ignorance. Instead, we have forgotten the power we wield (indeed, I attribute some of this to the test ban treaties). Small &quot;tactical&quot; weapons - instead of destroying an entire city we can destroy a few square blocks of it! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD? BETTER?!

Mankind, humanity, US - WE COULD BE AMONG THE STARS TODAY. All it would take is a realization of the futility of war, and the cooperation among all of mankind in a global effort to move our species forward, off of this planet, and out into the beyond.

We can and do continue to make great strides; there&#039;s no denying that. There&#039;s no denying that despite the continued threat of these weapons, we have acheived amazing discoveries, inventions, and new modes of thought and philosphy. This is what we are capable of when we are separate.

What are we capable of if we cooperate?

Small-minded individuals will be the death of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jayessell and Firebrand38:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been on this planet for nearly 40 years; longer than some, less than many. I remember the premier on TV of the mini-series &#8220;The Day After&#8221;, one of the more horrific portrayals of nuclear war and the aftermath it leaves. I also remember reading many books and articles on these weapons, and how huge the global stockpiles were; as a child I recognized it for its madness then, the same as I recognize these smaller stockpiles for their madness now! </p>
<p>One would think that man, having captured the ability to vaporize cities and their inhabitants with singular weapons &#8211; one would think that he would step back, ponder, and say &#8220;wait a minute&#8221;; perhaps re-think his position, his power, his hatreds, his fears, and his ignorance. Instead, we have forgotten the power we wield (indeed, I attribute some of this to the test ban treaties). Small &#8220;tactical&#8221; weapons &#8211; instead of destroying an entire city we can destroy a few square blocks of it! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD? BETTER?!</p>
<p>Mankind, humanity, US &#8211; WE COULD BE AMONG THE STARS TODAY. All it would take is a realization of the futility of war, and the cooperation among all of mankind in a global effort to move our species forward, off of this planet, and out into the beyond.</p>
<p>We can and do continue to make great strides; there&#8217;s no denying that. There&#8217;s no denying that despite the continued threat of these weapons, we have acheived amazing discoveries, inventions, and new modes of thought and philosphy. This is what we are capable of when we are separate.</p>
<p>What are we capable of if we cooperate?</p>
<p>Small-minded individuals will be the death of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1077721</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 14:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention moaning about the 5000+ warheads number (recently revealed) which pales in comparison to what the inventory used to consist of https://www.osti.gov/opennet/forms.jsp?formurl=document/press/pc26.html#ZZ7

Gee, outlaw war!  What a terrific idea!  No one ever thought of that before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention moaning about the 5000+ warheads number (recently revealed) which pales in comparison to what the inventory used to consist of <a href="https://www.osti.gov/opennet/forms.jsp?formurl=document/press/pc26.html#ZZ7" rel="nofollow">https://www.osti.gov/opennet/forms.jsp?formurl=document/press/pc26.html#ZZ7</a></p>
<p>Gee, outlaw war!  What a terrific idea!  No one ever thought of that before.</p>
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		<title>By: jayessell</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1077720</link>
		<dc:creator>jayessell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 12:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALA:
When I try to imagine a Nuke-Free world starting in the late 1940s,
I can only think of a world-wide Orwellien dictatorship.
It would have required the defeat of the Soviet Union and the
overthrow of the United States Government.

ps

That 5110 US Nukes includes H Bombs and small tactical weapons equal or less than the
first Fat Boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALA:<br />
When I try to imagine a Nuke-Free world starting in the late 1940s,<br />
I can only think of a world-wide Orwellien dictatorship.<br />
It would have required the defeat of the Soviet Union and the<br />
overthrow of the United States Government.</p>
<p>ps</p>
<p>That 5110 US Nukes includes H Bombs and small tactical weapons equal or less than the<br />
first Fat Boy.</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1077718</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 11:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew L. Ayers: We will now end today&#039; sermon with Rock of Ages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew L. Ayers: We will now end today&#8217; sermon with Rock of Ages.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew L. Ayers</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1077715</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew L. Ayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 04:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on this article, it looks like we went down the wrong path. Just think, if we had been wise as a species and chosen the first; where could we be today...? 

Instead, to this day, we still live with war, destruction, hatred, bigotry, intolerance, fear, uncertainty, doubt, environment disasters both natural and man-made, superstitions, lies, deceit, slavery and greed. It only a matter of time before another nuclear blast rocks this world; let us pray to whatever $DEITY you may think exists to save us that it is only a singular incident and not the start of a full-fledged world war. 

Our current weapons, 5000+ of them (and that is just the United States&#039; stockpile, according to recent reports), each have many times the power of the bomb which were dropped by us on Japan; it is crazy shocking what a singular hydrogen bomb can do. Should that third world war occur (one can almost argue it already started with 9/11; a scary proposition on its own), humanity is probably doomed for eternity, never to rise again to the level we are at today. 

Our planet will be our grave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on this article, it looks like we went down the wrong path. Just think, if we had been wise as a species and chosen the first; where could we be today&#8230;? </p>
<p>Instead, to this day, we still live with war, destruction, hatred, bigotry, intolerance, fear, uncertainty, doubt, environment disasters both natural and man-made, superstitions, lies, deceit, slavery and greed. It only a matter of time before another nuclear blast rocks this world; let us pray to whatever $DEITY you may think exists to save us that it is only a singular incident and not the start of a full-fledged world war. </p>
<p>Our current weapons, 5000+ of them (and that is just the United States&#8217; stockpile, according to recent reports), each have many times the power of the bomb which were dropped by us on Japan; it is crazy shocking what a singular hydrogen bomb can do. Should that third world war occur (one can almost argue it already started with 9/11; a scary proposition on its own), humanity is probably doomed for eternity, never to rise again to the level we are at today. </p>
<p>Our planet will be our grave.</p>
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		<title>By: jayessell</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1065799</link>
		<dc:creator>jayessell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;flying  girder&#039; looks like bits of a bomb that was destroyed before it detonated.

There seems to be a small explosion at the bottom  of the second page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;flying  girder&#8217; looks like bits of a bomb that was destroyed before it detonated.</p>
<p>There seems to be a small explosion at the bottom  of the second page.</p>
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		<title>By: Seraph</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1065792</link>
		<dc:creator>Seraph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;flying girder&quot; oddly resembles the WWII VB-10/12 family of guided weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;flying girder&#8221; oddly resembles the WWII VB-10/12 family of guided weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: jayessell</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1065786</link>
		<dc:creator>jayessell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nuclear attack  would come from   somewhere we didn&#039;t expect? Britain?

A ground burst would waste half  of  the bomb  energy unless the target
was an underground bunker. An air burst distributes the destruction over a wider area.

The History channel or whatever  mentioned after the U.S. tested an atomic  artillery shell the
Russian generals wanted  one also. The  Russian Preimer felt only he should have the authority
to  use nuclear weapons in a conflict, not some  guy on the battlefield!

An article by Willy Ley!
Check out his video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdKmP5sVfu8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nuclear attack  would come from   somewhere we didn&#8217;t expect? Britain?</p>
<p>A ground burst would waste half  of  the bomb  energy unless the target<br />
was an underground bunker. An air burst distributes the destruction over a wider area.</p>
<p>The History channel or whatever  mentioned after the U.S. tested an atomic  artillery shell the<br />
Russian generals wanted  one also. The  Russian Preimer felt only he should have the authority<br />
to  use nuclear weapons in a conflict, not some  guy on the battlefield!</p>
<p>An article by Willy Ley!<br />
Check out his video:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdKmP5sVfu8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdKmP5sVfu8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eliyahu</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1065763</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliyahu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the author&#039;s contention that nuclear artillery would be unfeasible, it wasn&#039;t long after this article was published that the Army developed its 280mm atomic cannon (from which a nuke was fired one time in a Nevada test) and the Davy Crockett weapons system, a recoilless rifle with nuclear capabilities. The latter was taken out of service in the late 1960s.  As the author points out, range is crucial, and a short round would be devastating to the crew and any other troops nearby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the author&#8217;s contention that nuclear artillery would be unfeasible, it wasn&#8217;t long after this article was published that the Army developed its 280mm atomic cannon (from which a nuke was fired one time in a Nevada test) and the Davy Crockett weapons system, a recoilless rifle with nuclear capabilities. The latter was taken out of service in the late 1960s.  As the author points out, range is crucial, and a short round would be devastating to the crew and any other troops nearby.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1065737</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &quot;flying girder&quot; is an early kinetic-energy ICBM interception concept.  It is obviously an aerospace component, with all the lightening holes in the flanges that no real building girder would have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;flying girder&#8221; is an early kinetic-energy ICBM interception concept.  It is obviously an aerospace component, with all the lightening holes in the flanges that no real building girder would have.</p>
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		<title>By: lunarmagpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>lunarmagpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Party at ground zero!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Party at ground zero!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Auricchio</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1065723</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Auricchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want that five-slice toaster he&#039;s wearing on his back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want that five-slice toaster he&#8217;s wearing on his back.</p>
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		<title>By: rsterling78</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1065715</link>
		<dc:creator>rsterling78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is nothing on the fellow&#039;s control panel labeled?  And why are the controls all handles like you&#039;d find on a manual food chopper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is nothing on the fellow&#8217;s control panel labeled?  And why are the controls all handles like you&#8217;d find on a manual food chopper?</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1065710</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, a candle snuffer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, a candle snuffer.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1065709</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His helmet antenna looks like those things people used to use to put out candles.</description>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/02/11/peace-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-1065707</link>
		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His term mutual atomic destruction is almost the same as M.A.D., mutual assured destruction, which has worked OK so far, at least for nuclear weapons. (knock on wood).
I want a helmet like the guy on the first page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His term mutual atomic destruction is almost the same as M.A.D., mutual assured destruction, which has worked OK so far, at least for nuclear weapons. (knock on wood).<br />
I want a helmet like the guy on the first page.</p>
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