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		<title>By: Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes humor doesn&#039;t come through well online. My original Sadler quip was just that.</description>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/25/undersea-spies/comment-page-1/#comment-1072374</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-DOUG-: Doug, I retired from Army Special Forces in 1994, please don&#039;t lecture me on its history.  And pointing out that units like British Commandos wore Green Berets doesn&#039;t help make your point.

There were &quot;special&quot; units in WW2?  Well, Duh!  Guys like the 1st Special Service Force weren&#039;t organizing natives to fight (knives indeed) but rather that was done by members of the Office of Strategic Services NOT the Office of Special Services. http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwII/70-42/70-42c.htm Special Services who by the way entertained the troops. http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50E12F63858157A93C3A9178AD95F468485F9

Here is a Life magazine article on Special Forces from 1956 http://books.google.com/books?id=-1YEAAAAMBAJ&amp;lpg=PP1&amp;pg=PA43#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false the same year that then-&lt;em&gt;Senator&lt;/em&gt; Kennedy unsuccessfully bid for Vice-President.  Check out the guys on page 44 wearing their unauthorized green berets while in front of Flint Kaserne (where I used to be stationed).

And I don&#039;t understand this need that you have to beat up on Barry Sadler based on rumors without hard evidence.  It&#039;s alleged that he was training contras.  He was more current with being a novelist than anything else.  In fact the only reason we&#039;re talking about Barry Sadler is because a previous poster thought that he as a Staff Sergeant in the Army had somehow &quot;created&quot; Army Special Forces.  Enough!

So, to quote the Firesign Theater, &quot;Everything you know is wrong&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-DOUG-: Doug, I retired from Army Special Forces in 1994, please don&#8217;t lecture me on its history.  And pointing out that units like British Commandos wore Green Berets doesn&#8217;t help make your point.</p>
<p>There were &#8220;special&#8221; units in WW2?  Well, Duh!  Guys like the 1st Special Service Force weren&#8217;t organizing natives to fight (knives indeed) but rather that was done by members of the Office of Strategic Services NOT the Office of Special Services. <a href="http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwII/70-42/70-42c.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.history.army.mil/bo.....70-42c.htm</a> Special Services who by the way entertained the troops. <a href="http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50E12F63858157A93C3A9178AD95F468485F9" rel="nofollow">http://select.nytimes.com/gst/.....5F468485F9</a></p>
<p>Here is a Life magazine article on Special Forces from 1956 <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=-1YEAAAAMBAJ&amp;lpg=PP1&amp;pg=PA43#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?.....mp;f=false</a> the same year that then-<em>Senator</em> Kennedy unsuccessfully bid for Vice-President.  Check out the guys on page 44 wearing their unauthorized green berets while in front of Flint Kaserne (where I used to be stationed).</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t understand this need that you have to beat up on Barry Sadler based on rumors without hard evidence.  It&#8217;s alleged that he was training contras.  He was more current with being a novelist than anything else.  In fact the only reason we&#8217;re talking about Barry Sadler is because a previous poster thought that he as a Staff Sergeant in the Army had somehow &#8220;created&#8221; Army Special Forces.  Enough!</p>
<p>So, to quote the Firesign Theater, &#8220;Everything you know is wrong&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: -DOUG-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-DOUG-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All manner of responses I&#039;d thought I&#039;d posted but I guess the system wonked, like how I&#039;d read plenty about Barry Sadler being synonymous with the Green Berets, and &quot;Green Berating&quot; the Beach Boys, etc. And the big bad mercenary lets someone walk right up and put a gun to his head while on assignment because he&#039;s drunk in public. At a time while people would STILL think Green Berets at the mention of his name, yeah, embarassing. (What&#039;s it take to embarass these friends of Firebrand?) Makes me glad I&#039;m not involved in his sort of nonsense.

And if you want to count things prior to Kennedy, there were all manner of &quot;Special&quot; named units in WWII. Some even wore green berets. What we NOW consider to be the &quot;Special Forces&quot; were established by Kennedy: &quot;Special&quot; used to refer to singular assignments, like organizing the local primitives to fight the Japanese with knifes while the U.S. military was still unable to get there. (Some actually were quite successful.) Kennedy made it developmentally elite.

The thing I&#039;d like to know more about is the original 1952 Green Beret mission of &quot;Psychological Warfare.&quot; This CAN&#039;T have been like &#039;Men who Stare at goats.&#039; (Can it?) That would mean quite a change in mission.

Anyway, Dave, assumming you read the site again, try to find out for sure about your Uncle&#039;s metals, and let us know. Mr. Sterner is a recognized figure for documenting this, so help him out. If the local newspaper got hold of the full story, they&#039;d have published quite an obituary. 

doug@homeofheroes.com

http://www.homeofheroes.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All manner of responses I&#8217;d thought I&#8217;d posted but I guess the system wonked, like how I&#8217;d read plenty about Barry Sadler being synonymous with the Green Berets, and &#8220;Green Berating&#8221; the Beach Boys, etc. And the big bad mercenary lets someone walk right up and put a gun to his head while on assignment because he&#8217;s drunk in public. At a time while people would STILL think Green Berets at the mention of his name, yeah, embarassing. (What&#8217;s it take to embarass these friends of Firebrand?) Makes me glad I&#8217;m not involved in his sort of nonsense.</p>
<p>And if you want to count things prior to Kennedy, there were all manner of &#8220;Special&#8221; named units in WWII. Some even wore green berets. What we NOW consider to be the &#8220;Special Forces&#8221; were established by Kennedy: &#8220;Special&#8221; used to refer to singular assignments, like organizing the local primitives to fight the Japanese with knifes while the U.S. military was still unable to get there. (Some actually were quite successful.) Kennedy made it developmentally elite.</p>
<p>The thing I&#8217;d like to know more about is the original 1952 Green Beret mission of &#8220;Psychological Warfare.&#8221; This CAN&#8217;T have been like &#8216;Men who Stare at goats.&#8217; (Can it?) That would mean quite a change in mission.</p>
<p>Anyway, Dave, assumming you read the site again, try to find out for sure about your Uncle&#8217;s metals, and let us know. Mr. Sterner is a recognized figure for documenting this, so help him out. If the local newspaper got hold of the full story, they&#8217;d have published quite an obituary. </p>
<p><a href="mailto:doug@homeofheroes.com">doug@homeofheroes.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.homeofheroes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.homeofheroes.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earl E. Cook was my uncle and he just passed away on Oct 20 at the age of 93.  He told us many times about the depth charges that were disarmed on the sunken aircraft (A PBY?) although he made it sound like there were 4 of them, not 3 as the article noted.  He did receive a medal from the Navy and I’ve seen it twice, but I don’t recall just what it was, either Silver Star or the Navy Cross.  The interesting story about this whole episode is that he sounded very matter of fact about it… “It was just my job and I did it” was pretty much his standard response.

He also was badly injured in Feb 1945 while aboard the USS Gamble was hit by two 250lb bombs in the middle of the night while off the coast of Iwo Jima, in support of the invasion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Gamble_(DD-123).  

Since he was bunking in a room next to one of the boiler rooms, the explosions fractured the bulkhead that separated him from the boiler room and the escaping steam burned him badly over about 40% of his body and he was picked up unconscious from the water shortly afterward.  This put him in a hospital for quite a long time.  He suffered pain from the scars for many years.  

My Uncle was a great man and I’m very proud to have known him.  Also it’s interesting that a quick search on Yahoo turned this article up in less than 5 minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earl E. Cook was my uncle and he just passed away on Oct 20 at the age of 93.  He told us many times about the depth charges that were disarmed on the sunken aircraft (A PBY?) although he made it sound like there were 4 of them, not 3 as the article noted.  He did receive a medal from the Navy and I’ve seen it twice, but I don’t recall just what it was, either Silver Star or the Navy Cross.  The interesting story about this whole episode is that he sounded very matter of fact about it… “It was just my job and I did it” was pretty much his standard response.</p>
<p>He also was badly injured in Feb 1945 while aboard the USS Gamble was hit by two 250lb bombs in the middle of the night while off the coast of Iwo Jima, in support of the invasion, see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Gamble_(DD-123)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Gamble_(DD-123)</a>.  </p>
<p>Since he was bunking in a room next to one of the boiler rooms, the explosions fractured the bulkhead that separated him from the boiler room and the escaping steam burned him badly over about 40% of his body and he was picked up unconscious from the water shortly afterward.  This put him in a hospital for quite a long time.  He suffered pain from the scars for many years.  </p>
<p>My Uncle was a great man and I’m very proud to have known him.  Also it’s interesting that a quick search on Yahoo turned this article up in less than 5 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
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		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Barry Sadler was never a &quot;big spokesman&quot;, just someone in the news after his song came out.  He was mostly a novelist in his later days without a lot of mercenary work.

And getting shot in the head in a taxi in Guatemala in 1989 really wasn&#039;t all that embarrassing to anyone I knew at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Barry Sadler was never a &#8220;big spokesman&#8221;, just someone in the news after his song came out.  He was mostly a novelist in his later days without a lot of mercenary work.</p>
<p>And getting shot in the head in a taxi in Guatemala in 1989 really wasn&#8217;t all that embarrassing to anyone I knew at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: -DOUG-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-DOUG-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(It just won&#039;t post yesterday. Let&#039;s try again.) So you don&#039;t miss our expert at work:
 
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/11/veteran.imposter/index.html
 
Which brings up another possiblity for the enigmatic Mr. Cook; he might have been a travelling mendacite, speaking publicly and granting interviews. I remember some years back one of the network news shows went to a Memorial Day event to interview the Medal of Honor winner that was a sort of Grand Marshall---and then they did their homework. The guy carried a counterfeit medal to show people and as in the story at the link, &#039;Put on a production.&#039;
 
I&#039;m surprised a political campaign didn&#039;t vette this Strandlof. But not all news outlets do any fact checking, especially not Fox, who said in court they didn&#039;t think it mattered if it was true or not just because they call it &quot;News.&quot; As Mr. Sterner points out, the real point is credibility. Just as it&#039;s tough for the Green Berets to have their big spokesman turn mercenary, and get killed in an embarassing manner because of it.
 
Meanwhile, the mystery of Earl Cook deepens.
 
(Hopefully the system will work this time.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(It just won&#8217;t post yesterday. Let&#8217;s try again.) So you don&#8217;t miss our expert at work:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/11/veteran.imposter/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/.....index.html</a></p>
<p>Which brings up another possiblity for the enigmatic Mr. Cook; he might have been a travelling mendacite, speaking publicly and granting interviews. I remember some years back one of the network news shows went to a Memorial Day event to interview the Medal of Honor winner that was a sort of Grand Marshall&#8212;and then they did their homework. The guy carried a counterfeit medal to show people and as in the story at the link, &#8216;Put on a production.&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised a political campaign didn&#8217;t vette this Strandlof. But not all news outlets do any fact checking, especially not Fox, who said in court they didn&#8217;t think it mattered if it was true or not just because they call it &#8220;News.&#8221; As Mr. Sterner points out, the real point is credibility. Just as it&#8217;s tough for the Green Berets to have their big spokesman turn mercenary, and get killed in an embarassing manner because of it.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the mystery of Earl Cook deepens.</p>
<p>(Hopefully the system will work this time.)</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Sterner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Sterner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Earl Cook who got the Silver Star was a Marine with the 6th Marine Division...awarded for actions at Okinawa on June 17, 1945.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Earl Cook who got the Silver Star was a Marine with the 6th Marine Division&#8230;awarded for actions at Okinawa on June 17, 1945.</p>
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		<title>By: -DOUG-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-DOUG-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as I said, there is an Earl Cook with a Silver Star, and that might be what they got wrong. And there&#039;s no last name of Cork? I read where a whole family of Cork found their last name changed to Cook by I guess the county they lived in, because that is what some bureaucrat put them down as in the early 20th century.

And yeah, I keep thinking about that $1.95 arc welder. &quot;Plugs into a light socket.&quot; Whatever happened to that? Did it put welding in the hands of maybe a few people it&#039;s best kept OUT of the hands of? I&#039;ll take one of the $9.95 engines, too. To think BOTH will be made in America by more or less skilled individuals out of the PROPER materials. Oh, the things they could once run out and buy. You could even get books on making furniture out of composites as a &#039;Home Industry Opportunity.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as I said, there is an Earl Cook with a Silver Star, and that might be what they got wrong. And there&#8217;s no last name of Cork? I read where a whole family of Cork found their last name changed to Cook by I guess the county they lived in, because that is what some bureaucrat put them down as in the early 20th century.</p>
<p>And yeah, I keep thinking about that $1.95 arc welder. &#8220;Plugs into a light socket.&#8221; Whatever happened to that? Did it put welding in the hands of maybe a few people it&#8217;s best kept OUT of the hands of? I&#8217;ll take one of the $9.95 engines, too. To think BOTH will be made in America by more or less skilled individuals out of the PROPER materials. Oh, the things they could once run out and buy. You could even get books on making furniture out of composites as a &#8216;Home Industry Opportunity.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Sterner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Sterner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Unfortunately, the following are the only &quot;Cook&quot; or &quot;Cooke&quot; individuals I show for the Navy Cross:
Cook, George Carlton
Cook, Lawrence Blanchard
Cook, Morrill I., Jr.
Cook, Orville Melvin
Cook, Paul Peniston
Cook, Raymond B
NONE were divers. As you noted, magazines do make mistakes. There was no one with the surname &quot;Earle&quot; in the NX database as well. I will keep digging on the long-shot possibility however, as no hero should be forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Unfortunately, the following are the only &#8220;Cook&#8221; or &#8220;Cooke&#8221; individuals I show for the Navy Cross:<br />
Cook, George Carlton<br />
Cook, Lawrence Blanchard<br />
Cook, Morrill I., Jr.<br />
Cook, Orville Melvin<br />
Cook, Paul Peniston<br />
Cook, Raymond B<br />
NONE were divers. As you noted, magazines do make mistakes. There was no one with the surname &#8220;Earle&#8221; in the NX database as well. I will keep digging on the long-shot possibility however, as no hero should be forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Sterner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Sterner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can find NO RECORD of Charlie Cook being awarded the Navy Cross. I would certainly welcome any information that would enable me to vette this award and add him to my database of Navy Cross Recipients. You can email me at doug@homeofheroes.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can find NO RECORD of Charlie Cook being awarded the Navy Cross. I would certainly welcome any information that would enable me to vette this award and add him to my database of Navy Cross Recipients. You can email me at <a href="mailto:doug@homeofheroes.com">doug@homeofheroes.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
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		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Staff Sergeant Barry Sadler did all that rather than the President.  And thanks for playing.</description>
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		<title>By: Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 21:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I though that was Barry Sadler, not Kennedy.</description>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/25/undersea-spies/comment-page-1/#comment-1068186</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not exactly, but close:

http://www.thesealteams.com/history/

http://www.navysealmuseum.com/heritage/history.php

By the way, Army Special Forces were &quot;created&quot; back in 1952 and NOT by Kennedy.  JFK just backed an expansion and formally authorized wear of the Green Beret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly, but close:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thesealteams.com/history/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesealteams.com/history/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.navysealmuseum.com/heritage/history.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.navysealmuseum.com/heritage/history.php</a></p>
<p>By the way, Army Special Forces were &#8220;created&#8221; back in 1952 and NOT by Kennedy.  JFK just backed an expansion and formally authorized wear of the Green Beret.</p>
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		<title>By: -DOUG-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-DOUG-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 06:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, sort of. Underwater Demolitions Teams were a product of World War II and were still around when John F. Kennedy became President and ordered the creation of the Special Forces. The reluctant navy started out by using the UDT frogmen, then saw the value of the SEALS in Vietnam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, sort of. Underwater Demolitions Teams were a product of World War II and were still around when John F. Kennedy became President and ordered the creation of the Special Forces. The reluctant navy started out by using the UDT frogmen, then saw the value of the SEALS in Vietnam.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 05:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this how the Navy Seals started? and the $1.95 arc welder is cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this how the Navy Seals started? and the $1.95 arc welder is cool.</p>
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