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		<title>By: chithu</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/26/learn-while-you-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-1068329</link>
		<dc:creator>chithu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>about that Mcgrath story u said&#039;She was even able to read bits from a Spanish novel and magazines&#039;.
while she was only heearing how could she know how the spanish letters would be without seeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about that Mcgrath story u said&#8217;She was even able to read bits from a Spanish novel and magazines&#8217;.<br />
while she was only heearing how could she know how the spanish letters would be without seeing.</p>
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		<title>By: dedsetmad</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/26/learn-while-you-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-1068307</link>
		<dc:creator>dedsetmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sorry for the d-post but I must add that on occasion this technique caused me on more than one occasion, to fall asleep in the very exams that I was studying for. Talk about self defeating ! ! ! !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry for the d-post but I must add that on occasion this technique caused me on more than one occasion, to fall asleep in the very exams that I was studying for. Talk about self defeating ! ! ! !</p>
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		<title>By: dedsetmad</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/26/learn-while-you-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-1068306</link>
		<dc:creator>dedsetmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a total con, perpetrated by the companies manufuct-ering these rubbish sleep learning tapes or cd&#039;s, or whatever . I tried this very technique when a student 40 years ago, and after extensive testing I gave it away because it DID NOT WORK. Anyone who would actually spend money on this rubbish instead of trying it out for themselves has got to be a bigtime, goldplated dill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a total con, perpetrated by the companies manufuct-ering these rubbish sleep learning tapes or cd&#8217;s, or whatever . I tried this very technique when a student 40 years ago, and after extensive testing I gave it away because it DID NOT WORK. Anyone who would actually spend money on this rubbish instead of trying it out for themselves has got to be a bigtime, goldplated dill.</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/26/learn-while-you-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-1068274</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 14:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only if it worked!

http://peter.thys.googlepages.com/Currentresearchinhypnopedia-F.Rubin.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only if it worked!</p>
<p><a href="http://peter.thys.googlepages.com/Currentresearchinhypnopedia-F.Rubin.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://peter.thys.googlepages.......Rubin.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Al Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell! I would have had 86 PHD&#039;s in everything! if I had started using that thing when I was younger ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell! I would have had 86 PHD&#8217;s in everything! if I had started using that thing when I was younger <img src='http://blog.modernmechanix.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/26/learn-while-you-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-1068259</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried it once using a reel-to-reel tape recorder plugged into an old GE clock radio -- they used to have a coffee maker outlet on the back. 

It took a lot of fooling around to get things set up so the recorder would start without eating my hand-made continuous tape loop. By the time I got it working, I knew the lesson cold and didn&#039;t bother to try it in my sleep. I can still rattle off the first 30 or so digits of Pi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried it once using a reel-to-reel tape recorder plugged into an old GE clock radio &#8212; they used to have a coffee maker outlet on the back. </p>
<p>It took a lot of fooling around to get things set up so the recorder would start without eating my hand-made continuous tape loop. By the time I got it working, I knew the lesson cold and didn&#8217;t bother to try it in my sleep. I can still rattle off the first 30 or so digits of Pi.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jari: Oh yeah, I noticed that when I scanned it, but forgot to mention it. This is actually fairly common in Mechanix Illustrated articles from around this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jari: Oh yeah, I noticed that when I scanned it, but forgot to mention it. This is actually fairly common in Mechanix Illustrated articles from around this time.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/26/learn-while-you-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-1068232</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess in retrospect sleeping in class should be acceptable behavior</description>
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		<title>By: Jari</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/26/learn-while-you-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-1068228</link>
		<dc:creator>Jari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firebrand, I meant the ads in the last two scanned pages themselves, not the site ads...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firebrand, I meant the ads in the last two scanned pages themselves, not the site ads&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: -DOUG-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-DOUG-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sleep teaching worked on &#039;The Flintstones,&#039; Fred and Barney did EVERYTHING Wilma and Betty told them to. I remember all sorts of the old reruns from the late 50&#039;s and into the 60&#039;s depicted this. I don&#039;t recall seeing any lingering offerings of learn languages in your sleep and such, so I assume the fad passed quickly, but the TV writers just couldn&#039;t let it go. People seemed to go on believing in it

It apparently really is the creation of Aldous Huxley in &#039;Brave New World,&#039; where children grow up being taught in their sleep. Here is where the reference was to people reciting what they&#039;d heard in their sleep without knowing what it was. Huxley gave it the name &#039;Hypnopædia.&#039;

One sentence puzzles me: &quot;The stimulus material was turned off as soon as cyclical activity within the alpha range was observed.&quot; Shouldn&#039;t that be when it was turned ON?&quot; Meanwhile, it&#039;s well and good to measure the short term effects, but we don&#039;t really learn things short term. Socrates said so many times in so many ways, &#039;You can&#039;t learn what you don&#039;t already know.&#039; Could there in fact be a benefit from some sort of implanting of this in the back of your mind, to ease your abilty to actually learn it later? A language, for example, isn&#039;t even learned in the classroom, it&#039;s learned when you go out and USE IT. I can&#039;t imagine they went to the trouble of testing people in that way.

At the time this article ran, the CIA was beginning an experiment on UNWITTING victims that involved drug enhanced sleep suggestion. (Brain washing.) The Canadian govenment was happy to provide its&#039; unwarned citizens for the experiment, most of whom were rendered derilicts at best. Most drugs alone do no permanent physical damage, although they are readily stored in fat cells to be released in the adrenaline. (Brain damage from street drugs is caused by the cutting agents or absolute overdoses.) I don&#039;t know if LSD was part of this, but that was the right time for it. The Canadians have settled many of the lawsuits.

100,000 &quot;Rabid adherents?&quot; (More drugs?) I wonder if there were any lawsuits from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sleep teaching worked on &#8216;The Flintstones,&#8217; Fred and Barney did EVERYTHING Wilma and Betty told them to. I remember all sorts of the old reruns from the late 50&#8217;s and into the 60&#8217;s depicted this. I don&#8217;t recall seeing any lingering offerings of learn languages in your sleep and such, so I assume the fad passed quickly, but the TV writers just couldn&#8217;t let it go. People seemed to go on believing in it</p>
<p>It apparently really is the creation of Aldous Huxley in &#8216;Brave New World,&#8217; where children grow up being taught in their sleep. Here is where the reference was to people reciting what they&#8217;d heard in their sleep without knowing what it was. Huxley gave it the name &#8216;Hypnopædia.&#8217;</p>
<p>One sentence puzzles me: &#8220;The stimulus material was turned off as soon as cyclical activity within the alpha range was observed.&#8221; Shouldn&#8217;t that be when it was turned ON?&#8221; Meanwhile, it&#8217;s well and good to measure the short term effects, but we don&#8217;t really learn things short term. Socrates said so many times in so many ways, &#8216;You can&#8217;t learn what you don&#8217;t already know.&#8217; Could there in fact be a benefit from some sort of implanting of this in the back of your mind, to ease your abilty to actually learn it later? A language, for example, isn&#8217;t even learned in the classroom, it&#8217;s learned when you go out and USE IT. I can&#8217;t imagine they went to the trouble of testing people in that way.</p>
<p>At the time this article ran, the CIA was beginning an experiment on UNWITTING victims that involved drug enhanced sleep suggestion. (Brain washing.) The Canadian govenment was happy to provide its&#8217; unwarned citizens for the experiment, most of whom were rendered derilicts at best. Most drugs alone do no permanent physical damage, although they are readily stored in fat cells to be released in the adrenaline. (Brain damage from street drugs is caused by the cutting agents or absolute overdoses.) I don&#8217;t know if LSD was part of this, but that was the right time for it. The Canadians have settled many of the lawsuits.</p>
<p>100,000 &#8220;Rabid adherents?&#8221; (More drugs?) I wonder if there were any lawsuits from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
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		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually all the posts on this blog have ads like that.</description>
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		<title>By: Jari</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/26/learn-while-you-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-1068210</link>
		<dc:creator>Jari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also notice the targeted ads... Most of them are related to the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also notice the targeted ads&#8230; Most of them are related to the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/26/learn-while-you-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-1068208</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No that&#039;s an episode of The Prisoner you&#039;re thinking of http://www.theprisoneronline.com/html/the_general.html

If you would follow the link that I provided the abstract to the study is (S= subject):

          A list of ten one-syllable nouns was repeated as many times as possible to nine Ss during an eight-hour sleep period. A continuous EEG recording during the presentation of the training material was used to determine the sleep level at that time. The stimulus material was turned off as soon as cyclical activity within the alpha range was observed. The experimental Ss did not do significantly better than the control group in selecting the words on the training list of 50 words. Nor did they choose the training words any more frequently than they chose an equivalent list of untrained words. There was some indication that words presented during a period of deep drowsiness can be retained, but this was significant only when the S was also able to give an immediate response to the material being presented. The effects of sleep level and the importance of continuous EEG monitoring while presenting the training material are discussed in their relation to recall. It is concluded that material presented a number of times during sleep (using an EEG criterion) cannot be subsequently recalled. (Author)
________________
Cannot be recalled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No that&#8217;s an episode of The Prisoner you&#8217;re thinking of <a href="http://www.theprisoneronline.com/html/the_general.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theprisoneronline.c.....neral.html</a></p>
<p>If you would follow the link that I provided the abstract to the study is (S= subject):</p>
<p>          A list of ten one-syllable nouns was repeated as many times as possible to nine Ss during an eight-hour sleep period. A continuous EEG recording during the presentation of the training material was used to determine the sleep level at that time. The stimulus material was turned off as soon as cyclical activity within the alpha range was observed. The experimental Ss did not do significantly better than the control group in selecting the words on the training list of 50 words. Nor did they choose the training words any more frequently than they chose an equivalent list of untrained words. There was some indication that words presented during a period of deep drowsiness can be retained, but this was significant only when the S was also able to give an immediate response to the material being presented. The effects of sleep level and the importance of continuous EEG monitoring while presenting the training material are discussed in their relation to recall. It is concluded that material presented a number of times during sleep (using an EEG criterion) cannot be subsequently recalled. (Author)<br />
________________<br />
Cannot be recalled.</p>
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		<title>By: garym</title>
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		<dc:creator>garym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t it turn out that, at best, people could quote back the material but had no idea what it meant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t it turn out that, at best, people could quote back the material but had no idea what it meant?</p>
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		<title>By: Firebrand38</title>
		<link>http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/26/learn-while-you-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-1068198</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebrand38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t blame them.  It&#039;s curious that this article came out after the definitive study published in 1955 showed that it didn&#039;t work
 http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&amp;metadataPrefix=html&amp;identifier=AD0422832

Also see at the Rand Corporation website

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_memoranda/RM1444/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t blame them.  It&#8217;s curious that this article came out after the definitive study published in 1955 showed that it didn&#8217;t work<br />
 <a href="http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&amp;metadataPrefix=html&amp;identifier=AD0422832" rel="nofollow">http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?ve.....=AD0422832</a></p>
<p>Also see at the Rand Corporation website</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_memoranda/RM1444/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rand.org/pubs/resea.....da/RM1444/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 02:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In grade school and college I was trying to explain this learning technique but the teachers didn&#039;t believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In grade school and college I was trying to explain this learning technique but the teachers didn&#8217;t believe it.</p>
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