PREMARITAL RELATIONS (Oct, 1965)

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An engaged couple candidly discusses the age-old problem of PREMARITAL RELATIONS

As told to SHIRLEY GUTTENTAG

WE SHOULD

He: To present my side of the argument it is necessary to start at the beginning. I first met Alice when her date at a party got drunk and I volunteered to drive her home. I didn’t see her again until I was invited to a party given by one of her friends—an invite I suspect was extended to me at Alice’s request. We had a few dates and I was always a gentleman—in fact the first time we kissed was on my birthday.

One summer evening we stopped off in a quiet spot after seeing an early movie and it was Alice who started the little necking session that evening. A few dates later I made some advances and she didn’t mind my fondling her breasts and unzipping her dress.

Now, a year later we are on the threshold of marriage. The date is set, the catering contract for our wedding reception has been signed by her parents, the invitations have been printed and we’re preparing the guest list. I won’t back out now. I am going to marry Alice but I can’t stand the mental and physical torture of playing with her and then being sent home without having spent my passion. It’s getting so that I can’t do my work—I think of nothing else.

I respect Alice and wouldn’t think her cheap if she gave herself to me now. Many is the time that I’ve argued this point with her and tried to convince her that our love is God-given while the marriage contract is only a man-made device of society. If it will be all right to fulfill our sexual desires after we are legally married as the culmination of our love for each other, do we love each other any less now that we can deny ourselves the right to make love?

Alice wants me. I know she wants me as I do her—that is why I can’t understand why we both are facing and putting up with a physical denial which is giving us both emotional troubles.

WE SHOULDN’T

She: Dick is quite right when he intimates that I connived to see him again after he drove me home. His being a gentleman was a refreshing change from the other fellows in the crowd who thought that they were God’s gift to womanhood and that they had a right to paw us after free-loading at a party.

I liked Dick right from the start and “helped” him along when I saw that he was very bashful. O.K., so I let him make advances. I wasn’t ready to give myself, but I always heard from the girls that it helped snare a husband if you put out the right bait!

Dick resorts to the old cliche— if you really loved me, you’d let me. But, I always remind him of an even older cliche—if you loved me, you wouldn’t make such demands.

Yes, I’m quite sure that we are going to get married, even if we started having intimate relations from now to the time of our wedding bells. But. what if Dick did find some excuse to back out of the engagement? Where would I be then? I’d be thrown back into the pond, probably with the word getting around that I was no longer chaste. I’m well aware of the fact that non-virgins do manage to get married, but I’d rather not gamble on being passed from one fellow to another for sampling. If I want to lead that kind of life, I’d be better off doing it on a commercial scale, than being an unpaid amateur in search of a husband.

I’ll even agree that our love is God-given but I can’t go along with the idea that the marriage contract is meaningless to lovers because the marriage ceremony is actually a legal contract in accordance with laws established by the society of the times. To me, the marriage contract is God-given too for it is within His scheme of things that we find one mate and live in monogomy.

More than once I’ve wanted to go all the way. I get passionate when I allow Dick to probe my body as I do his. but I control myself and feel that we can wait.

Dick doesn’t know it but when we just started going steady. I found out that one time when he lied and said he couldn’t take me out. he was out with the boys—out whorering. I dated a former beau that night and came as close as I ever did to losing my virginity. I did things that night, that in retrospect shock me now, but I was angry and I was trying to get even for the hurt of being tossed aside for a strumpet.

Mature adults shouldn’t get married because they have an incurable sex urge —they should consider sex as necessary, but as a pleasant by-product, rather than the focal point of marriage. If Dick can’t wait, I’d be agreeable to moving up our marriage a few months, something which can easily be arranged, a lot easier than my compromising my principles and losing both respect for Dick and for myself.

8 comments
  1. Doug says: April 28, 200912:35 am

    Drinking involved so they were both likely at least 21 years old. 1965 was 44 years ago so Dick and Alice are now 65 years old. Imagine, you young people out there, this was a conversation your parents or GRANDPARENTS probably had. Eeewwwwww! Old people sex!! (except they were not old then). Hey, you didn’t get here by immaculate conception, kiddo. Some couple just like Dick and Alice got horny and went at it like ferrets or you wouldn’t be here now. And yes, whether or not to “go all the way” was a real debate for young couples. Should still be if they have any brains.

    I wonder if Dick still thinks Alice is hot and does Alice secretly wish she’d have “gone all the way” with the other bozo instead of the Dick she married?

  2. fred says: April 28, 20091:11 am

    IS Alice WANTIN `

  3. fred says: April 28, 20091:11 am

    Is Alice wanting Dick or not?

  4. Charlene says: April 28, 20091:21 am

    Doug, in 1965 the legal drinking age was not 21 but 18 in most US states. Also, well over half of couples had sex before marriage, and not just in 1965: in 1865 something like 80% of first babies in Scotland were born less than seven months after the wedding.

    The big difference in the 60s is that they had the pill – but it was still hard to find a doctor willing to prescribe it to an unmarried woman. Yes, even in the 60s. So her decision has to take into consideration the possibility of an unwanted pregnancy and even of complications of pregnancy, which in the 1960s were far more common than they are now.

    As an aside, I love how she’s more worried about his dumb lines than he is about the fact that he went whoring.

  5. Doug says: April 28, 20093:10 am

    Charlene, I was alive and well in 1965 (and in high school). In California the legal drinking age was 21. Not to say that some kids under 21 didn’t imbibe at parties. I never did of course, I was a nice boy. ;-)

    Ref. from the American Medical Association web site:

    “Minimum Legal Drinking Age

    After Prohibition, nearly all states restricting youth access to alcohol designated 21 as the minimum legal drinking age (MLDA). Between 1970 and 1975, however, 29 states lowered the MLDA to 18, 19, or 20. ”

    see: http://tinyurl.com/cwj4…

    I believe it is still 21 in California although I’m not sure. It’s been a very long time since I was 21 so I don’t pay much attention.

    Doug

  6. Sean says: April 28, 20095:06 am

    Talking with my older coworkers, I can say that it was 21 in PA and Ohio. Ohio had a special 3.2% alcohol beer that 18 yo’s could buy (What’s the point?), but was otherwise in line with everyone else.

  7. Thomas says: April 28, 20099:20 pm

    The point of 3.2% beer is the same point of training wheels… you could learn ahead of time. MGD64 is a 3.2% beer, one of the ways that they got the calorie count down. It’s nearly impossible for a 200lb man to get drunk on on the stuff but 120lb kids would.

    But not too bad.

    Training wheels.

  8. Rick Auricchio says: April 28, 200910:19 pm

    Yes, Doug, it’s 21 in CA.

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